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Painting 70 GT350 Soon, Couple of Questions
« on: September 30, 2018, 03:23:07 PM »
I'm about to have my 70 Shelby GT350 car number 3024 painted. I'm taking it apart for before I drop of to the painter and had a couple of questions.

1. How do I get the Cobra and Shelby emblem off the side of the car? Is it attached from the interior of the car?

2. How do I remove the rear trunk Shelby Emblem?

3. My door tag appears original but in bad shape, recommend masking off for the paint or would you recommend replacing?

4. The area directly behind my front bumper is painted black, I was told it was supposed to be a dark greyish color on the 69's. Is that the same for all 69 Shelbys? What color is it?

5. Any other tips or advice? This isn't a full on concourse paint job, I'm just refreshing the tired paint on this driver car of mine but I'd like to keep things accurate without going too crazy.

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Re: Painting 70 GT350 Soon, Couple of Questions
« Reply #1 on: September 30, 2018, 03:54:56 PM »
I'm about to have my 70 Shelby GT350 car number 3024 painted. I'm taking it apart for before I drop of to the painter and had a couple of questions.

1. How do I get the Cobra and Shelby emblem off the side of the car? Is it attached from the interior of the car?

2. How do I remove the rear trunk Shelby Emblem?

3. My door tag appears original but in bad shape, recommend masking off for the paint or would you recommend replacing?

4. The area directly behind my front bumper is painted black, I was told it was supposed to be a dark greyish color on the 69's. Is that the same for all 69 Shelbys? What color is it?

5. Any other tips or advice? This isn't a full on concourse paint job, I'm just refreshing the tired paint on this driver car of mine but I'd like to keep things accurate without going too crazy.
The emblem and the trunklid mesh /letters is held on with double sided tape. They can be loosened with a heat gun and carefully pried off. It is typical to have to replace with another because the original gets damaged during removal . Shelby parts and restoration sells the most accurate reproduction of the trunklid mesh . You can get new letters and snake emblems from him too. The frame rail behind the front bumper would be most typically black . The firewall back is the place the slop gray paint was used . Firewall forward was a red oxide tint underneath. The engine compartment and the front of the radiator support including the front frame rail was meant to be painted black.
« Last Edit: September 30, 2018, 03:57:08 PM by Bob Gaines »
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Re: Painting 70 GT350 Soon, Couple of Questions
« Reply #2 on: September 30, 2018, 04:08:35 PM »
When you mask off the ID tag on a 70 it never looks great so you have to decide . There is not much you can do with a 70 sticker. If you try and remove it you will destroy it . It is designed to render itself useless if taken off . If you are talking about the metal panel that holds the foglights behind the bumper then it is a dark argent like used on the 1970 Mach I side rocker panels. The complete grill ,inside headlight buckets and headlight rings are also the dark gray. The backside of the lower valance was blacked out with semi gloss paint . Inside the area that the turn signal bezels are placed are also blacked out.   
« Last Edit: September 30, 2018, 06:55:21 PM by Bob Gaines »
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Re: Painting 70 GT350 Soon, Couple of Questions
« Reply #3 on: September 30, 2018, 05:33:44 PM »
Great information and advice. Thank you.

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Re: Painting 70 GT350 Soon, Couple of Questions
« Reply #4 on: September 30, 2018, 05:38:52 PM »
And, Marti Auto Works can reproduce your 1970 door sticker. 
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Re: Painting 70 GT350 Soon, Couple of Questions
« Reply #5 on: October 03, 2018, 01:21:12 AM »
The best advise is leave the car alone, once you paint it then everything else will look awful and the can of worms is opened.
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Re: Painting 70 GT350 Soon, Couple of Questions
« Reply #6 on: October 03, 2018, 07:46:06 AM »
It's had a repaint back in the 70's. Can was already open.

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« Reply #7 on: October 03, 2018, 08:33:15 AM »
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The best advise is leave the car alone, once you paint it then everything else will look awful and the can of worms is opened.
+1 if the paint is decent. New paint will make everything else look bad ;)

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Re: Painting 70 GT350 Soon, Couple of Questions
« Reply #8 on: October 03, 2018, 09:05:31 AM »
Do NOT put any tape on that sticker, or you will have to replace it.

Old dogs know that you can tape off a wide area around the factory ID sticker, and roll the tape back as you spray.

Do NOT lay heavy coats of paint around or over the ID sticker, just spray area's around it.
Overspray will blend in by hand rubbing when finished.

Unless your car is rusty, had been painted over before, you should be good

This is the same way, for the most part, painters blend spots on whole panels. They usually find an edge, and then peel back, makes for a nice job.

A blend spray mixture, which kind of melts paint, is sometimes used to melt old and new paint ino a blend.

Other guys herein, that do this daily, could advise if there are other newer methods.
Respectfully submitted,
John
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Re: Painting 70 GT350 Soon, Couple of Questions
« Reply #9 on: October 03, 2018, 12:23:40 PM »
Do NOT put any tape on that sticker, or you will have to replace it.

Old dogs know that you can tape off a wide area around the factory ID sticker, and roll the tape back as you spray.

Do NOT lay heavy coats of paint around or over the ID sticker, just spray area's around it.
Overspray will blend in by hand rubbing when finished.

Unless your car is rusty, had been painted over before, you should be good

This is the same way, for the most part, painters blend spots on whole panels. They usually find an edge, and then peel back, makes for a nice job.

A blend spray mixture, which kind of melts paint, is sometimes used to melt old and new paint ino a blend.

Other guys herein, that do this daily, could advise if there are other newer methods.
Respectfully submitted,
John
John, you can mask the sticker but if the tape substantially pulls up on the sticker is when the VOID warning comes through like when you try to peel it off. To be on the save side many that do this paper the center of the sticker and tape the edges to protect it from overspray . I haven't seen one done I really like regardless . But that is just me.
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Re: Painting 70 GT350 Soon, Couple of Questions
« Reply #10 on: October 03, 2018, 03:22:26 PM »
Thanks gents for the advice. I just want to confirm that the Snake and "Shelby" emblem on the side quarter behind the rear side window is stuck to the car with adhesive and not posts?
Thanks again for all the great information.

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« Reply #11 on: October 03, 2018, 03:29:16 PM »
After she's painted you should also have her painted in this manner as well...
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« Reply #12 on: October 03, 2018, 03:45:50 PM »
Do NOT put any tape on that sticker, or you will have to replace it.

Old dogs know that you can tape off a wide area around the factory ID sticker, and roll the tape back as you spray.

Do NOT lay heavy coats of paint around or over the ID sticker, just spray area's around it.
Overspray will blend in by hand rubbing when finished.

Unless your car is rusty, had been painted over before, you should be good

This is the same way, for the most part, painters blend spots on whole panels. They usually find an edge, and then peel back, makes for a nice job.

A blend spray mixture, which kind of melts paint, is sometimes used to melt old and new paint ino a blend.

Other guys herein, that do this daily, could advise if there are other newer methods.
Respectfully submitted,
John

Do you think that door tag I posted a picture of is worth saving? Or would I be better off replacing it?

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« Reply #13 on: October 03, 2018, 04:42:22 PM »
Bob, you are correct too.

I found that the paint line build up around the tag is not flattering, just like you..

I had bad luck with pulling tape from the edges of the ID sticker every time I tried it.

masking off 3 -4 inches from it, and rolling the tape>>> has worked for me.
This needs to be done on newer cars, pretty much all of them>>> once you tape them>>> geez they VOID themselves like you say.

Whatever he chooses, hope it works and he keeps his original tag,

Fastback 66, keep  the original tag, always the best, even if its a little tattered.
Keep us informed with what you do, and how you do it>>>

With respect,
John
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« Reply #14 on: October 03, 2018, 05:26:16 PM »
Bob, you are correct too.

I found that the paint line build up around the tag is not flattering, just like you..

I had bad luck with pulling tape from the edges of the ID sticker every time I tried it.

masking off 3 -4 inches from it, and rolling the tape>>> has worked for me.
This needs to be done on newer cars, pretty much all of them>>> once you tape them>>> geez they VOID themselves like you say.

Whatever he chooses, hope it works and he keeps his original tag,

Fastback 66, keep  the original tag, always the best, even if its a little tattered.
Keep us informed with what you do, and how you do it>>>

With respect,
John
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