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67 Brake Caliper wire - original owner car

Started by acman63, May 27, 2019, 06:55:18 PM

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acman63

Heres a good shot of the factory safety wire on a 67.  Im the first one to take this apart. Car has been off the road since the mid 70s and is a virtual time capsule. I didnt measure the wire yet.  (-:     more to come
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67 GT350

I remember those on my car and I got special wire to replace that! Man, that was back in the very early 80's!
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Quote from: Frankie on May 27, 2019, 09:11:28 PM
I remember those on my car and I got special wire to replace that! Man, that was back in the very early 80's!

Nothing special about the wire today just allot of options that aren't like the originals ;)

Then everyone wants to do it neater and prettier with their "special pliers" rather than how the original San Jose workers did

Not that its not their car and they can do it anyway they want to  :D
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Bob Gaines

It is nothing special.It is just regular bailing wire you can get in the hardware store. If you don't find it in one hardware store go to another. I have not had a problem finding a correct looking wire. In the beginning I took a sample to match. Later it became more easy to recognize. You might find that when you buy it you are more likely to lose it then ever use it up on doing cars. It doesn't take much to wire a car. I don't have to go looking too often thankfully . I lend it out and the borrower doesn't bring it back. No good deed goes unpunished  ::) .  That has happened on a number of occasions.  The wire that was used is not silver in color but more of a rust tinted dark brown. 14/15/16 gauge wire I think . I have seen enough of it to just go by the look.
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shelbydoug

Quote from: Bob Gaines on May 27, 2019, 10:46:12 PM
It is nothing special.It is just regular bailing wire you can get in the hardware store. If you don't find it in one hardware store go to another. I have not had a problem finding a correct looking wire. In the beginning I took a sample to match. Later it became more easy to recognize. You might find that when you buy it you are more likely to lose it then ever use it up on doing cars. It doesn't take much to wire a car. I don't have to go looking too often thankfully . I lend it out and the borrower doesn't bring it back. No good deed goes unpunished  ::) .  That has happened on a number of occasions.  The wire that was used is not silver in color but more of a rust tinted dark brown. 14/15/16 gauge wire I think . I have seen enough of it to just go by the look.

The only issue other then getting pre-rusted wire is that IF it was intended to be installed as safety wire, in every picture that I have seen and from my own car, it isn't installed properly.
So if it's going to be reinstalled as functional safety wire, then it's Concours incorrect?
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Coralsnake

It should be noted the 1968 wires were installed differently...different plant and year
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polyglas

Quote from: Coralsnake on May 28, 2019, 07:39:40 AM
It should be noted the 1968 wires were installed differently...different plant and year


Different calipers and caliper brackets also on 69-70.

shelbydoug

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Quote from: Coralsnake on May 28, 2019, 07:39:40 AM
It should be noted the 1968 wires were installed differently...different plant and year

Well yes. Not to confuse a '67, a '68 and a '69 install? It would be merely a curiosity to see who was a more retarded assembly line? It's probably a 50/50 thing whether or not the workers just had an attitude about, "we'll install it any way we want to, so don't tell us how to do our job", or whether or not they were even given installation instructions?

The '68s were installed, more correctly as opposed to not even close at San Jose. Might have had to do something with the work/release program from the local prison? I can't speak for the '69s but even if they are right, it took three years to work it out? How long did it take to get the lug nuts right?

Still, if you install the wire so it works like it should, then that's wrong as originally delivered. What to do, what to do? Wrong thinking is right thinking or is it right thinking is wrong thinking? Plus now the Judges are going to have a dial caliper or a digital one?  :o
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tonys_shelby

I did have a question Jeff looking at the pictures, the anti rattle clips that I installed one at each end of the caliper and the picture and this shows one solid one that goes all the way across and is that red paint marking that I see at the ball joint nuts?

J_Speegle

Quote from: tonys_shelby on May 28, 2019, 10:14:47 AM
I did have a question Jeff looking at the pictures, the anti rattle clips that I installed one at each end of the caliper and the picture and this shows one solid one that goes all the way across and is that red paint marking that I see at the ball joint nuts?

Sounds like you have a later car and in turn the later version of the calipers. Reason I posted when the example was built.

Remember that 67 is a difficult year with lots and lots of Ford/San Jose changes as well as Shelby changes so not everything you might see on one car will apply to yours without doing some, often deep, study
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tonys_shelby

My car is Jan of 67 should it have the one piece? If so is it the same as a '66? when I ordered my caliper rebuild kit it came with the small anti rattle clips so I just figured that is what all 67's had.

J_Speegle

Quote from: tonys_shelby on May 28, 2019, 04:00:05 PM
My car is Jan of 67 should it have the one piece?............

Looking at other unrestored Jan build San Jose Mustangs and Shelby's it appears that cars built during that month typically had the later version of the calipers with the two smaller individual retainers rather than the earlier one piece
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